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Dream Diary relating to the WCG (Part 2)

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When a prophet of the Lord is among you, I reveal Myself to him in visions, I speak to him in dreams (Numbers 12:6, NIV).
(H = Helena’s dream. M = Malcolm’s dream, etc.)

He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit is saying to the churches (Rev 2:7).

These are merely SOME of the revelations in dreams which concern the Worldwide Church of God (WCG).

Earlier dreams are contained in the book Dreams From God About The WCG.

 

 

Evil Control of WCG Leaders

27th November 1998. M. Dream of 3 men.

In this dream 3 men were ‘in charge’. They had control and whatever they said the people had to do. There were several other people in this dream, including me and Helena. Their command had to be accepted and obeyed. They determined who would work (and presumably, who would eat also).

However, I was adamant I would not obey them. I ignored their commands. They would have to kill me before they would break me! I wasn’t going to give in to them! That is the way I felt about their illicit behaviour.

They discussed amongst themselves how they should treat people, what to say to them, and how they should next act. Whenever they talked, they turned their backs on us and conferred together in private. Helena complied with their wishes for a while, before I told her to get out from under their thumb and not work for them.

Meaning: The illicit behaviour of WCG ‘rulers’. These evil men will not relinquish their power. Power means more to them than anything.

Comment: Although this was given in 1998, I believe it applies in 2013 as I review these revelations from God! They haven’t really changed; their evil core is still malignant!

Hostility of WCG

30th January 1999. H. Of H (WCG man) not wanting to speak to us.

Comment: The WCG is governed by demons. As Jesus said of false ministers, you know them by their (spiritual) fruits (see Matt 7:15-23). One fruit is their hostility towards us and rejection of the truth we hold.

WCG Thieves

1st April 1999. M. Dream of an official-looking person, a ‘solicitor’, whom I could not trust. This person had stolen what was owing to me.

Meaning: The legalistic, ‘respectable’-looking WCG leadership have stolen the credit I should have received from all my writings, some of which they have utilised for their benefit in making various changes, to appear good before their members. When the dream was given, an old College friend, still trapped by WCG, got in touch at this time. He could not see the duplicity and deceit of the WCG leadership. I brought up with him the subject of WCG prejudice against Christians in other churches, which our booklet A Message To Worldwiders challenged head on in 1992, three years before the WCG made their changes to accept Christians from outside their church. But this former friend casually dismissed any guilt on the part of WCG mentors, overlooked this terrible prejudice, and equally casually made dismissive remarks as if WCG mentors knew all along what we revealed for their education. They are not willing to give one ounce of credit to the truth we revealed to deliver their trapped minds! Like an arrogant solicitor, who knows it all, they sat in their unchallenged position of lordship and control.

Like the Pharisees in Jesus’ time, all they do is done to be seen of men, to look good in the eyes of others. They are robbers and good-for-nothings at heart.

On The Wings Of The Spirit

5th June 1999. M. Dream of On the Wings of the Spirit.

I was given some sort of gadget like outstretched wings on which you could glide in the air. I went to the edge of a cliff to try this thing out. It was daunting to go over the edge for the first time, but I got hold of this thing and glided over the edge.

As I swooped downwards there was a couple on the beach below. A man was imposing himself on a younger, weaker woman. He was a brute of a man and used his weight and strength to smother and dominate the woman.

As I glided over this couple, there was a loud crack, like a bone breaking. Several other loud cracks then occurred later, and the dream faded.

Meaning: The woman is the Church. The overbearing man is the wrong system of government with its false ministers who dominate for their selfish ends. The winged gadget is the power supplied by the Spirit. The cracking is demonic strongholds being broken. My gliding is a symbol of the prophetic ministry which God directs.

Wonderful Reconciliation

4th July 1999. M. Dream of K (WCG man).

He met me and was most apologetic. He was in tears. I put my arm around him and gave him a big hug.

Meaning: The wonderful reconciliation which will come after he sees how wrong he has been to attack us (12-14 years ago) and oppose what God used us for.

WCG’s Impoverished People

25th July 1999. M. Three dreams.

1. Of CM (WCG member) and his family. They were living in a small one bed townhouse and were very hard up. They were sitting in bed, doing nothing. The children were well behaved, however. C asked me if we could help him financially because of their difficult situation. I didn’t reply (because I can’t do that).

Meaning: The WCG has left a legacy of impoverished people. CM represents these. He is poor, both materially and spiritually, and will look to us to support him. But even that is a wrong approach! He needs faith in God, not in us! The dream portrays that the WCG does not impart real trust (faith) in God.

The Dead Churches of God

2nd August 1999. H. Dream of Three Men Doing Nothing of Much Use.

Helena saw a dead man inside a room. Nearby there were two old men sitting around, doing very little. Next, she saw three men spread out, lying on the floor. Each one had a large round stone on his belly. They were waiting for something to happen.

Meaning: Many church folks hang on to their old doctrines and their denomination. They’re not willing to learn new things outside their former experience. They would rather lie down beside their dead mentor, and cling to what they have been used to. Yet what they do is useless. They need to learn what new thing God has in store, and what He would have them do now that their former church system has ceased. (This dream is particularly pertinent to the Church of God groups which have broken away from the WCG. It highlights the influence of leaders upon the members, making them spiritually impotent.)

Church Likened To A Rubbish Tip

9th Sept 1999. H. Dream of Rubbish Tip.

I was walking through this rubbish tip and trying to bring some order to it. [Our ministry task.] It was an impossible job and nothing could be done with it. As I was walking through it, I came to a timber house [depicts Chris B’s ministry which we contacted] on the edge of the tip site. As I walked past the house, I noticed that the corner was rounded instead of being true. The house was well constructed and looked quite well organised, except for the corner. I was puzzled why this would be just left the way it was.

Meaning: God showed me that the tip site was the Church in chaos and confusion in its teachings. Satan has dumped all his rubbish into the Church, causing people to accept it.

The house on the side represents the group who think they have it all and have no need to modify any of their teaching. (Laodicean attitude.)

God is giving up-to-date revelation to prepare the Church to be His bride. She must accept all aspects He is revealing, to be considered in this number, and make the necessary changes. But few want to. Very few!

We Are Ignored & Not Remunerated

12th Sept 1999. Feast of Trumpets. M.

In this dream I sat next to Colin. He said he owed me some money. He had a bowl of money beside him, but I didn’t accept any money from him. Then a girl came and sat on my lap. She took no notice of me and only wanted to talk to Colin.

Meaning: Colin is a fictitious character, representing church leaders to whom we have ministered via our publications. We are not after their money; that is not our motive. We only want to promote the truth which God has given.

The girl represents the Church in its immaturity (children sit on your lap). But she ignores our input, does not recognise our prophetic office and is only interested in listening to church leaders.

WCG Thief

27th February 2000. H. I dreamt of David Silcox, minister in the WCG, coming to see us. We had many items that were unusual, and he was determined to get one particular item. He went to great trouble to get what he wanted.

Meaning: The WCG have stolen many things from our literature, and have not given us any credit. Instead they have vilified us, opposed us, and slandered our names.

Further Reading: The Notorious Open Letter To The WCG (£1)

Hypocritical WCG Needs Our Input

8th May 2000. H. 4 Dreams.

1) Sorting out the house of a WCG lady.

I was dusting and cleaning, and sorting things out in the house of a lady I knew in the WCG (WL). There were many things that needed sorting and throwing away.

Meaning: Members in the WCG need their spiritual homes put in order and the confusion sorted out because the church has lost its way.

2) Christian hypocrisy. A former WCG friend walked past our window, dressed up and cheerful. He never stopped.

Meaning: WCG members are told to be nice to others, to put on a good ‘front’. They try hard to appear good to others, but they don’t care for us. They won’t even stop for a chat.

Like the Pharisees in Jesus’ time, what they do is done to be seen of men. This sort of hypocrisy is not limited to WCG folks, of course.

The WCG And CoGs Are Unspiritual

3rd April 2001 H. Spiritually dead church.

I was staying with some people I knew from our previous church. There was someone among them who had a nervous breakdown in the past and had demonic influences in his life. He was a worldly character with many personal sins and was involved in drugs. [Allegory of the sinful state of some of these people. WCG and CoG people are not being delivered from demons.]

The people wanted to study about the Roman Empire, which is a very unspiritual subject. I wanted them to have some of our literature on much more spiritual topics, but was unable to get it to them.

I had a very old bike for travelling [allegory of MM’s lack of funds] and I had to use the bus to get along part of the way.

Meaning: The Churches of God are unspiritual and preach mere intellectual knowledge. What MM has, needs to reach these dead Christians, but it is very hard to get our literature to them because of the restrictions imposed by their churches. Ministers control input and do not allow our materials to enrich members’ spiritual lives. Literature sent to WCG and CoG folks in the past has been returned and denied to members.

Moreover, our funding is not adequate for the job that has to be accomplished; we need back-up and help.

Demonic Opposition

22nd April 2001. M. Dream of Harry Sullivan (a false minister in the WCG who carried many demons, representing demonic opposition) opposing and confronting me. I got vehement (and woke myself up through the physical exertion of my anger against the demonic opposition)!

The WCG Finally Folds Up

27th June 2001. M. 2 dreams about the WCG.

1) The WCG finally folded up and Gerry Van der Wende (a former associate in that church) was looking for a new fellowship arrangement. He contacted me and was enquiring about meeting together. I asked him if he wanted to fellowship with us, but he was not happy about that arrangement. Instead, he expected us to come and fellowship with him.

Meaning: This man was a side-kick of WCG ministers and was appointed by their hierarchy to preach sermonettes. But the appointment to positions of human authority in the church bred attitudes of pride, arrogance, aloofness and spiritual superiority. The dream illustrated this.

The guy considered that we should be subservient to him in some sort of hierarchic pecking order, and that he is superior to us. To condescend to join in with our fellowship was out of the question. He considers that he has little to learn from us. This is typical of the vile attitude and approach in arrogant WCG overlords who always want to be pre-eminent. They don’t look on fellowship meetings as opportunities to meet with God, but to exercise their own dominion over others!

The WCG’s Lack Of Spirituality

2) In this dream I was planning to sing a song for special music during a church meeting. This was again as if I was associating with the WCG. (It shows their spiritual attitude and approach, not that I will actually associate with them.) The song I had chosen was particularly poignant.

It contained some words about a knife doing its work (implying that it would cut out the wickedness of man’s heart, or kill evil, or something like that). It had a deep spiritual meaning. But Tonya said to me that it wouldn’t be a good idea to sing that song because they would take it the wrong way.

Being so unspiritual, narrow-minded, and prejudiced against me, they would think it was provocative, coercive, aggressive, or something like that. They would fail to realise its spirituality and would be offended by it.

Meaning: The WCG’s unspirituality and hostility towards me causes them to fail to accept our corrective message. We are falsely accused of being malevolent.

Some Prominent People Helped

29th August 2001. H. Helping Mrs. Thatcher.

I was giving a WCG minister some advice on health but he wouldn’t listen. I was also helping a famous person. Another person I was helping was Mrs. Thatcher. Her goal was to get to Buckingham Palace and it was an uphill struggle through a deep gully. We had to climb higher levels.

Meaning: Buckingham Palace represents heavenly / royal rewards. Our literature will help her to face the challenge of her spiritual journey. She was willing to face the difficult struggle.

In contrast, the arrogant WCG minister didn’t have the humility to concede that we could give him anything of practical value for his spiritual wellbeing!

The Antiquated WCG

14th Jan 2002. M. The old house of the WCG.

We were visiting an old house to have a look around it. We went inside. The ceilings were so antiquated and high – about 15 feet high! I noticed a water pipe below the ceiling, which would usually be above the ceiling. Someone had tried to disguise it by covering it with plaster like the ceiling itself.

This room also had old fashioned ‘chunky’ mouldings and cornices. In the hallway, there were some equally old paintings like old masters. One was of a ship – a galleon – at sea.

The whole place was so much behind the times. I asked, in a very soft voice (not wanting to disturb anyone), to the man who had let us in, if we could see the rest of the house and whether the woman, whom we presumed lived there, would let us in. We waited for him to come back to us, but he didn’t. We were just kept waiting. She didn’t appear, nor did he.

Meaning: This dream depicts the WCG. We know this because it was given when we had contact by correspondence with one of its church leaders. The church is antiquated, but they have tried to ‘modernise’ it, without much success. It’s a bodged job. Like the painting in the dream, the church is ‘all at sea’.

We had just written to the man in the dream. God warns us through the dream that he will fail to be truly open and will not respond, despite the polite and endearing tone in my letters. That occurred precisely as God predicted! [Always does!!]

Get A Move On! There’s Little Time!

19th Jan 2002. M. 3 Dreams.

1) Going to the Train Station.

People were walking along slowly down a railway track. I came up from behind and passed them, moving briskly. I nimbly skipped from sleepers to the rails, and off the track, down a slope into a train station. The people I had passed seemed a bit surprised at the speed with which I was walking.

Meaning: We have a sense of urgency to move ahead. It’s necessary. There is so little time to get things done. But most Christians are just ambling along, not realising the urgency of the times. There is much to be done in a very short space of time! So, everyone needs to really move!

 

  1. Much more on this subject is contained in Dreams From God For the WCG (£2). This publication contains accounts of what God has conveyed to us in dreams about the WCG (Num 12:6). Another highly relevant publication is God Speaks to the WCG (£2). It explains how God showed His love to the people in this organisation, but how they rejected His input from the prophets He ‘sent’ to them. The result was that they fell under judgement. The book details what transpired.

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Further Reading

Confirmation of what the above dreams convey is provided in Articles for the Benefit of Members and Ex-Members of the WCG.

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God speaks to His prophets today just as He spoke to His prophets of old.
One very expressive avenue of communication is via dreams and visions (Num 12:6).
The leadership of the Worldwide Church of God is under God's condemnation for:
1) defying Him in their spiritual promiscuity,
2) maintaining their spiritual control over the minds of their subjects, and
3) repudiating the words of the prophets He sends to correct and redirect them.

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