The Joel Meeker
your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy. There is
nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be
made known." (Lk 12:1,2, NIV).
sin are to be rebuked publicly, so that the others may take warning" (1 Tim
In 2000, Joel Meeker, a Church of
God minister, contacted me by
e-mail. He wanted to know what my involvement had been with the brethren in
Kenya, and what support I had given them (if any), in order to ascertain
whether he should modify his response to them. He was overseeing the
activity of his church in Kenya.
I replied to him cordially and candidly. But
as the correspondence progressed, I followed the lead of the Spirit to get
stronger with him and I volunteered some more truth to which his church has
not been privy. I gave him part of our booklet An Introduction to the
Spiritual Gifts (the chapter on dreams and visions), and also a chapter
from Miraculous Manifestations, which recounts the appearing of two
angels in Isaya’s hair cutting salon and some other interesting happenings.
He didn’t respond positively to my input,
perhaps not surprisingly, given the fact that most CoG ministers are
arrogant and don’t take kindly to input from outside their borders. Nor do
they want cooperation with other ministries.
For those people who would dispute my
findings and who want to find fault with me, I reproduce the salient aspects
of my letters to Joel Meeker here. The purpose of this is to make the facts
clear and to highlight important spiritual issues which he and the majority
of CoG (Church of God) ministers don’t want to face – chiefly their need to
accept a greater infilling of the Spirit, so that they can witness for
Christ with manifestations of spiritual power, as the apostle Paul did (2
Cor 12:12; Heb 2:4; Acts 19:6; 19:11-12; 15:12), and as all those today who
have that belief in the intimacy of the power of Jesus (Mark 16:17).
1. The First Reply
As I said, in December 2000, Joel Meeker
wrote to me via an e-mail, asking me what my involvement was with the
brethren in Kenya and whether I knew Isaya Ouma Owak. I replied:
22nd Dec 2000
Thank you for your inquiry concerning
Isaya Ouma Owak. Yes, he is well known to us and has been 'with us' for
quite some time, helping to further our outreach in Kenya, Tanzania and
There have been considerable needs, both
physical and spiritual, amongst the brethren in these countries, and so
when our family came into a legacy in 1999, we used the bulk of that to
help them out (and outreaches in other African countries). Some members
were starving, others were very deprived, and God showed us that He had
separated two people there through whom we could help the poor church
members in that region. Isaya was one and Xxxxx Xxxxx Xxxxx was the
other. [God gave this other man a chance, but he squandered the calling
and disqualified himself. He has since fallen away.]
You may wonder how God showed us that
these men were appointed by Him. It's rather like some of the things
recorded in Acts. God did so through supernatural means. There were
several indicators. I will try and chronicle them as best as I can for
1. When the ex-WCG believers with Isaya
met together one Sabbath, as they were praying, God spoke through an
angel (or some way we don't understand) audibly that two men had been
appointed by Him. They were His chosen vessels (not that such
appointment would exclude others like yourself, because God appoints
many, and works through many different people in many different ways).
Those present heard this voice. As I say, it was audible, but
2. Other matters to do with these men and
this outreach in Kenya were confirmed to myself and my wife in dreams.
(We have not physically travelled to Africa. My ministry commitments
here do not permit that.)
3. On another later occasion, as Isaya
was walking down the street, an angel again 'accosted' him, not visibly,
but again with a definite audible voice, confirming the association
between our ministry and Isaya and the Kenyans from our ex-WCG
background. This was after Isaya was given a dream the previous night
and after his sick daughter was instantly healed that morning.
Thus, we did not go searching for
'representatives', God sent them to us.
It's quite an interesting story, so if
you would like to read the account in more detail, I can send you a copy
of our small booklet Miraculous Manifestations in which these
things are written up. (In retrospect, since you are probably strapped
for time, I'll cut and paste the last part of that account and send it
to you via the next email.)
Although we have helped the Kenyans and
others as God has shown us, Isaya is not on our 'payroll'. We have no
payroll. Midnight Ministries is merely a name by which I can operate as an independent
ministry, and provide the written materials God has had us collate over
the past decade. (My wife and I exited WCG in 1990 through circumstances
that He engineered. He showed us corruption in the house then, and of
coming corruption that later occurred in 1995 when they threw out the
truths He had used them to promote all through the Armstrong era.)
After our 22-year WCG experience ended,
God led us into this separate ministry to write publications for the
spiritual nurture of the Church.
If you care to send me your postal
address, I'll send you a list of our publications and a couple of
samples. If you care to duplicate any for UCG use, you are most welcome
to do so. It is quite simple to add your own address to the back cover
of the booklet, if you want to... [In his reply he rejected this offer.
He didn’t want cooperation.]
....we are all of the household of God,
even though we are operating in different spheres, and there should be
co-operation and fellowship between us as the Spirit of the Lord
....I do not care about the person of
man. We operate independently of any church organisation. We have no
church organisation backing us. We have a handful of supporters and God,
but it is God on whom we rely for our coming and going. And I have
encouraged Isaya and others to follow Jesus' footsteps in that way,
without relying upon the physical superstructure that man has
constructed to (oft times) complicate the simple leading of the Spirit.
If Isaya wants association with you or
with UCG, that will not jeopardise his association with me unless he
wants that terminated. (As of now, he has not indicated that he does
want that ended.)
You are right that things can get
somewhat complicated in Africa, where people all too often look to the
physical organisations of men for physical attention and support. But
there is only one thing we should all clamour for, and that is the
favour of God and to hear His voice giving us direction.
I wish you well. God bless your efforts
For the undiscerning, I would like to point
out that my response to Joel Meeker was cordial and cooperative. It is only
because I have been falsely accused, that I make this defence.
I hold no personal grudge or resentment
towards him, nor do I harbour any hostility. I had hoped that he would want
to co-operate with our family in the work to which God has called us in that
area. But it seems that co-operation in true Christian love is incompatible
with the CoG’s more exclusivist agenda of domination and control.
2. The Second E-Mail
The same day I sent Joel Meeker the following
22nd December 2000
I thought this might be of interest to
you, too. It's a chapter from our booklet on spiritual gifts.
All the best,
(With this e-mail was chapter 4 on Dreams
and Visions, out of An Introduction to the Spiritual Gifts. I
have not reproduced that here. It was followed by another e-mail
containing part of the booklet Miraculous Manifestations.) Two
weeks passed. When he later replied, Joel Meeker did not comment on
either of them. He merely replied as briefly as possible:
Subj: Re: Kenya
Thank you again Malcolm,
That fills in the picture quite well.
Thank you for responding.
The brevity of his reply was striking. I have
noticed in our dealings with hypocritical church leaders (we have had plenty
of experience in that field dealing with the WCG hierarchy in the 1990s),
that they often go quiet when they are cornered or challenged. They may
maintain a calm, affable and good-looking exterior, but internally they are
disturbed or seething, because their corrupt interior has been found out.
Their demons are threatened. So, I replied as God’s Spirit led me to write:
3. Filling in the Picture
Subj: Re: Kenya - filling in the
In a message dated
12/01/01 you write:
<< That fills in the picture quite well.
It might do for you, but it doesn't for
me. Since you were not willing to answer my queries that I posed to you,
we asked via the Spirit of God to know more about you, and God has
revealed some things. Doubtless you will care to know.
We have been totally open with you, but
you have not been open with us. Isaya has been willing to admit error in
things that he might have done in haste, or by oversight, and to
apologise for them. (Admitting openly that if he did say something that
was misleading or deceitful – although he cannot remember having done so
– to repent, retract it and apologise to you. That he has done.) He has
been willing to humble himself, but you have not. [I have omitted that
part from the correspondence because it is not directly relevant, and
only clouds the main issues which we are addressing here. He was trying
to find fault with Isaya.]
You have behaved more deceitfully than
Isaya. You have ignored my questions about co-operation. Do you want it
or don't you? It would appear that you don't. [It hurt his pride to
receive this correction, as you will see in his response.]
I offered you the use of our publications
in your ministry to others, but you have made no comment. I have offered
to send you some of our publications to explain why we observe the
Festivals when we do (at different times to those which the Churches of
God, for the most part, observe) and you decline to answer. Like all the
Laodiceans in the Churches of God, it seems you don't want to learn any
more or have your present understanding challenged.
When we asked God to know who was in the
wrong about the allegation that Isaya lied to you about knowing
Midnight Ministries, He intimated
that you carry the greater guilt on that score. Here is what we asked,
and how He replied. (If you don't understand about prophets, or believe
that God speaks to them, may I politely suggest you update yourself in
that respect. I can send you a publication on the subject Prophets
and Prophesying if you care to accept it.)
Question. Is Joel Meeker lying about this
incident concerning Isaya?
Q. Has Joel Meeker's memory failed him
about this? A. Yes.
Q. Has he got his information from
someone else? A. Yes.
So, while you were not deliberately lying
about Isaya's alleged infraction, you have come to a misunderstanding
about it. Someone informed you. It would appear that you got your
information second-hand and, having had it in your mind for so long, you
have come to believe that Isaya said it when he didn't.
I have received a fax from Xxxxx Xxxxx
this morning which confirms that your facts are not quite correct. So, I
trust that you will provide an apology to Isaya, and that your formerly
good relationship with him can be restored.
About another issue, we asked the Lord
the following question:
Q. Should Isaya seek co-operation with
UCG in order to have permission to meet? A. Yes.
Obviously, God wants him and you to get
together. Whether you want it, though, I don't know. Up to now you have
certainly given the impression that you are open, fair, and willing to
have the brethren in Kenya fellowship together across organisational
boundaries. Is that sincere or is it a deceit?
I await your reply on that. Thanks.
Finally, I return to this allegation
against Isaya, that he has lied to you. I want to get to the bottom of
this, because it's a serious allegation. For a while God indicated that
there has been some deceit in Isaya's approach, but it was not what you
or we thought. He did not lie to you. God has shown us that.
You know Jeremiah 17:9, that everyone's
heart contains a measure of deceit, and in those unchanged by the Spirit
of God, that deceit is very deep! When Jesus acclaimed Nathanael as a
man without guile, he was a rare individual. There was even guile in the
patriarch Abram, shown when he coloured the facts about Sara to try and
save his neck from king Abimelech. So, the fact that God has shown that
Isaya has had some deceit that He wanted to point out to him, should not
detract from his character or be used as a slur against him. In fact,
the way he has been willing to be totally open and honest with you and
me, in case there has been some deceit that he didn't see, confirms his
appointment as one of Jesus' appointed ones in Kenya, appointed to take
His truth of the hour to those whom God is reaching.
Whatever the deceit is that God has
allowed to be made a big issue, He will point out to Isaya personally,
and it is not for anyone else to condemn Isaya for that. We all have our
own personal lives to deal with, and to confront the deceit that is in
each of us, as and when God reveals it.
I hope that you do not misconstrue what I
have written here. It is not meant to condemn you either. It is written
to point out what it is that God now wants you to confront and deal
with, so that you can continue in His will. Correction, while it hurts,
is not meant to hinder, but to help.
Notice in his reply which follows that he DID
misconstrue what I wrote. It was convenient for him to do so, because it
gave him a ready excuse not to humble himself and repent. He does not know
that his church is following false ministers who are observing wrong
festival dates and who are keeping their members in ignorance and spiritual
mediocrity. It’s another case of the blind leading the blind.
Subj: Re: Kenya - filling in the
The tone of your note surprises me. I
thought I was being open with you concerning things which had occurred
affecting United's involvment in Kenya and Tanzania. I was not aware of
ignoring any of your questions and will answer the ones you have posed.
[When cornered, people plead ignorance and innocence, but really they
are not willing to admit to their guilt. That is the nature of human
In the United Church of God, we do not
feel we should pass judgements on other religious organizations. That
said, we do not use other religious organizations' literature, or
generally enter into cooperative agreements, so I respectfully decline
your offers. Your organization and United differ on important points of
doctrine and practice, to the point where cooperation is not possible.
I won't be pressuring Isaya or Xxxxx in any way, they and the members
there can make whatever choice they want. However, I do feel Isaya
misled me about the nature of what the groups there were doing and what
they wanted to do in requesting to become part of the United Church of
God. I'm going to Kenya to meet with them in a few weeks and will
discuss this situation with them in detail.
Actually I have looked over the reasons
given for using a calendar other than the Jewish one to calculate the
Holy Days. As I'm sure you know, there are many theories circulating now
on the one "correct" way of calculating months apart from the Jewish
calendar. None of the arguments presented have convinced me that we
should change to a different method of calculation. As far as I'm
concerned it comes down to either: 1) we accept the Jewish calendar or
2) we make up our own calendar method with no true biblical authority.
I'm convinced the first is what God would have us do. [That’s where
you’re wrong, and I can demonstrate it.] We have published quite a bit
of research on this topic which can be found on our ucg webpage.
As to the answers you feel you received
from the Holy Spirit, that is obviously a very personal and subjective
thing. It would be of no use for me to try to convince you that is not
happening. For my part, I don't believe God is speaking through prophets
at this time. The Bible certainly does indicate that will happen at the
time of the end. When that does happen, however, I'm convinced that
like in the early New Testament period, the men and women God will
choose to use as prophets will be members of the church, not "independants".
That said, I don't dispute the fact that God can certainly do whatever
He likes. One thing is certain: "by their fruits you shall know them."
So I view you like Gamaliel viewed the nascent church: if it be of men
it will fail; if it be of God it will succeed and that will become
I hope this answers all your questions
and makes my position clear. Please let me know if I overlooked a
question or if you have others.
4. Contention Comes Out Into the Open
Subj: Kenya - filling
in the picture.
14th Jan 2001
Thank you for your response. I shall
reply to your points, in order.
[He wrote] <<The tone of your note
surprises me. I thought I was being open with you.... I was not aware
of ignoring any of your questions. >>
Either you are a nincompoop, or you are
being deceitful again. And I hardly think you are a nincompoop, so what
God said to me about your deceit has proved true.
The reason you ignored my questions was
because you don't want to find a meeting of minds with me. You resent my
input for the Church, and despite all you say to the contrary, you do
not want co-operation or harmony except as it is achieveable through
United's corporate structure. So, rather than admit that you tried to
avoid my questions, you lie by pleading 'ignorance'. It is a convenient
cover for your hostility which lurks underneath your polite and polished
exterior. Like one well-known church leader was often heard to say:
"Human nature wants to look good, but it doesn't want to do good."
The very serious sin of hypocrisy
bedevils the church leadership. It covers a multitude of other sins. And
one task of the prophet is to expose this deceit, duplicity, humbug and
Jesus said: "There is nothing concealed
that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known" (Matt
10:26). That was in the context of hypocritical religious leaders (Luke
12:1,2), who stood before the people as if they represented God, when,
in fact, those 'churchmen' were representing Satan. Jesus commanded:
"What I tell you in the dark, speak in the daylight; what is whispered
in your ear, proclaim from the housetops" (Matt 10:27). I will fulfil
His injunction here.
<< In the United Church of God, we do not
feel we should pass judgements on other religious organizations. >>
If that is so, then how do you teach
brethren to test the spirits, to discern between true and false, and to
beware wolves in sheep's clothing? How are you able to recommend to
brethren those who are approved of God and those who are not? Paul told
the Corinthians that we are to judge in the Church (1 Cor 5:12),
otherwise we cannot oppose the working of Satan within the body of
Christ. I hardly think your self-righteous statement is a convenient
ruse to hide behind.
This is another example of your
hypocritical approach. You say one thing, but do another. You have
already passed judgement on Midnight Ministries. Your unwillingness to
truly 'come clean' with me, your unwillingness to co-operate with the
promotion of truth which God has given us, and your carefully guarded
responses demonstrate that you do not consider me a brother in the faith
and you don't want fellowship with me. I haven't seen any willingness on
your part to want to heal that breach and division between us. All I
have seen up to now is that you are content to let it be.
<< That said, we do not use other
religious organizations' literature, or generally enter into cooperative
agreements, so I respectfully decline your offers. >>
I was not asking you whether you wanted
to make a co-operative agreement when I asked you whether you want to
co-operate with me? I was asking whether you want to be part of what God
is doing in Kenya, in reviving the Church through the introduction of
new aspects of truth to which your organisation is not privy. But if you
don't want to participate, that's your choice. I was offering you
participation in what God is now doing amidst His people, which He has
used us to spearhead. I was offering you our literature, which God has
used as the first means of this revival. But you don't want to know!
Your aloofness is a characteristic symptom of arrogance. This arrogance
was first bred in the WCG and has been perpetuated further in most of
the WCG offshoot churches with their own brand of sectarian pride. The
fact that you don't use others' literature is a throwback to WCG
exclusivism, which you have not left behind.
You use the name 'United' but it has been
patently obvious that 'United' has been far from that! When it was
formed, there were other ex-WCG groups which had left the parent church,
but David Hulme did not want to team up with them. Instead, he preferred
to pursue his own egoistic path and form his own church organisation.
Politics and personalities figured prominently in the decisions which
have caused the formation of offshoot churches. (The antithesis of what
Jesus wants. He doesn't want you following men, Acts 5:29, nor forming
human organisations where spiritual matters are dictated by men who lord
it over their followers, Matt 20:25,26.) After McCullough came into UCG
through the back door and cleverly gained a seat in the governing body,
your church split again. (Who tested the spirits in your church to
ascertain whether McCullough was a false minister? I doubt if anyone
did. Most only know how to look to the personality, not the spirit
behind the man, as shown by the 'fruits'! 1 John 4:1.)
And, rather than seek unity with all
these groups, United goes it alone. My invitation to you was an
invitation to seek unity rather than division, but you prefer to want
division, because that is the party line
So, 'United' is a misnomer, and so is the
'Church of God' bit. If it were part of
the true Church of God, you would not shut your
door on me. You would welcome me, and accept the truth of God that I
<< Your organization and United differ on
important points of doctrine and practice, to the point where
cooperation is not possible. >>
If you differ with us on some important
points, I would ask you to state what they are, and according to the
admonition in Galatians 6:1, show me my doctrinal error. Then, I can
address those matters, alter my teaching to come into line with the Word
of God, and we can find harmony.
Or, perhaps it is your doctrine in United
which is out of 'sync' with pure biblical teaching and practice? And
being part of an organisation hamstrung by dogma and tradition, you are
powerless to change it, for fear of stepping out of line?! Hence your
reluctance, even fear, to receive any of our publications, which might
expose your ignorance, and wrong practice.
<< I won't be pressuring Isaya or Xxxxx
in any way, >>
It wouldn't make much difference if you
did. They don't want to follow men any more. They want to receive direct
guidance from God in dreams, visions and prophetic words. Jesus has
appointed them to be evangelists, and that calling comes with an
anointing from the Almighty, which is demonstrated in supernatural
events, signs and wonders, as the Word goes forth. (Some of which I have
tried to relay to you, but you appear to take no notice.) So, it's not a
question of them falling in line with you, but you showing your
willingness to fall in line with them, as they demonstrate the power of
God upon their ministry.
How do you explain the appearance of
angels, the audible supernatural voices confirming their appointment,
the miracle of Isaya's daughter's healing the morning after he received
a dream from God, and the various other miraculous events that have
If our doctrine differs from yours,
perhaps we have moved on from the cloned points of view and prejudices
which restrict UCG folks, who are still conditioned by a cultic and
exclusivist mentality. You rightly say we should look at the fruits, but
you are not even doing that. You are not opening your eyes sufficiently
to even read the material in which some of our fruits of our ministry
are laid out. Why not? The usual reason is pride and arrogance. If that
is going to continue to be the case with you, then we are not going to
get very far, but if you can swallow your pride, humble yourself to
concede that you might have some more to learn, we can move on and find
a meeting of minds. That is where I come from, and I hoped you would be
of the same mind.
<< Actually I have looked over the
reasons given for using a calendar other than the Jewish one to
calculate the Holy Days. >>
<< As I'm sure you know, there are many
theories circulating now on the one "correct" way of calculating months
apart from the Jewish calendar. >>
Yes, but only one IS right, despite the
fact that it sounds presumptuous to claim it. The truth is not shared by
the majority. The majority viewpoint is usually the wrong one. And, if
God has promised to send 'Elijah' AT THIS TIME (which you don't seem to
appreciate), and he is restoring truth that has been lost, that truth
must be here somewhere. It's obviously too much for you to believe that
we could be that voice, at this hour, for you and for all the churches
of God from the WCG background, restoring the 'lost' truth they need. I
suppose you would classify such a claim as arrogant and preposterous.
<< None of the arguments presented have
convinced me that we should change to a different method of calculation.
Then, you haven't read far enough yet,
because there is no biblical authority for deciding to begin months when
the moon is never visible, as the Jewish calendar does! Nor is there
biblical authority to postpone the start of months for various
subjective and expedient reasons.
<< As far as I'm concerned it comes down
to either: 1) we accept the Jewish calendar or 2) we make up our own
calendar method with no true biblical authority. >>
Well, that's where you're wrong. There IS
biblical authority for a certain calendar, which is what I explain in
God's Calendar Revealed To Man and The Festivals of God, but
I would be too naive to think that you want to read those!
One question I have for you. Paul
mentions the new moon observances in Colossians 2:16, which clearly the
NT Church was keeping on a par with the recognised holydays. What were
those? If you don't know, you should find out. That is one reason for
reading what I have written in The Festivals of God.
<< As to the answers you feel you
received from the Holy Spirit, that is obviously a very personal and
subjective thing. >>
You might think so. But was it subjective
when Jeremiah was told by God that he had been separated to be a
prophet? Had he not been separated to be a prophet or hadn't he? Or when
Isaiah was overcome by the power of God? (Is 6.) Was that a purely
subjective experience? Aren't their writings clear evidence that their
experiences were not merely subjective? And if you had the humility to
investigate, perhaps you would find that my writings confirm that what
God has been doing with us is no more subjective than my letter to you
Have you read our publication Dreams
and Visions About the Worldwide Church of God or God Speaks to
the WCG? Not by the sound of it. Nor would it appear that you want
to! So, like the superior Pharisees in Jesus' day and all the
self-willed rebels in Israel who disdained the prophets God sent, you
don't even care to look into what I am challenging you to consider.
<< I don't believe God is speaking
through prophets at this time. >>
So, then you don't believe the Church of
God exists?! I thought Paul wrote in Ephesians 4:11-13 that there ARE
prophets in the Church, along with apostles, evangelists, pastors and
teachers. If the Church exists, prophets must exist too, because he says
that they are a necessary part of the structure, to help bring the
saints to perfection (v 13). If you think prophets are no longer around,
then either you believe that the Church no longer exists, or that the
saints have been perfected already, or my Bible is in error! Please let
me know which version I should be reading and where I have got it wrong.
I thought Paul said they would be part of
the Church UNTIL we all reach unity in the faith. I would have thought
it was pretty clear there is little unity in the faith between us!
Why has Jesus' method of perfecting His
Church apparently changed, according to what you are saying? Why do we
no longer need prophets? And when did this need cease? Why, if they
ceased, are they to reappear at the very end, as you say? Isn't that
very claim totally inconsistent with Jesus' consistency, promised in
And since you claim to be such an
authority on prophets by your dogmatism against them (when, ironically,
you say you can't pass judgement on other church organisations – which
doesn't seem to be consistent with your philosophy) why did Paul list
this ministry function or office along with the others in 1 Corinthians
12:28, which is equally relevant as the other offices of five-fold
Jesus said He is the same yesterday today
and forever, but you're saying He's not, because He no longer uses
prophets to perfect the saints. That is a denial of Christ, by denying
an asset and office in His body which was one of the most important
functions of any He raised up to do His spiritual Work.
I'm sorry, Joel, but you are right out of
line with contemporary happenings of the Spirit of God in the Church.
Your teaching is limited by your experience. You are reducing God's Word
to the level of your inadequate experience. When your experience is
raised to the level of God's Word, then you will believe. That is what I
would wish for you, but whether you are willing to accept my challenge
and read what I have written on these important subjects, well, that's
your choice, and it doesn't look like you are going to accept my offer.
Jesus said that the spirit of prophecy is
the testimony of Jesus in the Church (Rev 19:10). That is the very thing
that bears witness to Jesus' living presence among His people. Yet you
are denying it! The most vital spiritual gift in fellowship and equally
vital spiritual office in the Church!!! (1 Cor 14:5.) We do not deny
tongues, but we emphasise the superiority of prophesying for building up
the body. You reject tongues, AND reject prophesying! What a satanic teaching you promote! No wonder
there is division between us!
A few further questions. Perhaps you can
answer these queries about prophets, if, as you claim, they are no
1. Numbers 12:6 states that God speaks to
prophets, primarily by way of dreams and visions. Why, then, have I and
my wife and family being receiving dreams and visions for the past 7+
years if this mode of God's communication is supposed to have ceased?
2. Why did this take place after a
prophet from the USA, who had never met me before, laid his hands on me
and prophesied over me?
3. The things he prophesied have been
coming to pass. Why is that if the prophetic office has ceased?
4. One of the things he said was that
many have been coming against me in criticism of what I am doing in
God's service. You are continuing to fulfil that very prediction, which
demonstrates the efficacy of his prophecy. Why is that if prophets are
no longer around today?
5. How come Jesus has appeared to us in a
couple of our meetings, that angels have also appeared, that we have
received countless prophetic words which we record in our regular
newsletters, that we receive dreams constantly each week (which we
record in our newsletters), that God reveals things to us about others,
about their attitudes and approaches, and some hidden things about their
character, just as Paul said would occur when true prophecy operates in
the Church (1 Cor 14:25), and that I dare to write such 'pugnacious'
letters to those who are defying the moving of the Spirit of God??!! How
come, if, as you claim, the office of prophet has ceased?!
6. And as for the prophetic anointing
that God promised would come with the advent of the NT Church (Acts
2:17, etc), are you saying that that has now ceased, too? It has in your
church. That's true. But it hasn't where there are believers who truly
believe in the power and moving of the Holy Spirit NOW! Their faith,
their expectation, their simple belief permits God to work in those
miraculous ways. But where unbelief rules, God cannot come through with
His power (Mark 6:5,6).
I am glad that God brought us into the
company of the brethren in Kenya, who have had the hunger for these
things of God. I feel privileged to have been used to bring more of God
into their lives. These people of God don't want the dry, stuffy, old
religious dogmatism and prejudice of the churches of God that the WCG
cultic mindset has bred. They want true religion, in which the power of
God manifests at certain times to bring joy, release and comfort to
God's people. And Isaya, and the others with him, who have been willing
to learn from our literature, will testify to you that this is no 'con
job'. This is the real thing! Jesus (not just the pastor, with a few he
preaches to) promised to be present in meetings where two or three
gather in His name (Matt 18:20), and He still comes. He demonstrates His
presence in signs, wonders and spiritual gifts – principally those of
tongues, interpretation of tongues, and especially prophesying (His
testimony in the Church, remember, Rev 19:10). Such things come in our
meetings all the time. So, it's not imaginary, or 'subjective' as you
claim. I know whereof I speak. I'm sorry that you don't.
<< The Bible certainly does indicate that
[the coming of prophets] will happen at the time of the end. >>
You speak as if we had another 50 years
to go before Jesus' coming! Man, we're only a handful of years away!
This is the Midnight Hour! We are in the last days, and Elijah is here. True to Jesus'
prophecy of the end in Matt 25, the virgins are all asleep and unaware
of what Jesus is doing!
<< When that does happen, however, I'm
convinced that like in the early New Testament period, the men and women
God will choose to use as prophets will be members of the church, not
Good night! The major prophets have
always been 'independents'. John the Baptist was the prime example.
Prophets are rarely part of organised church structures, because their
witness is invariably spurned. They are rejected, and the people to whom
he is sent generally deny his message.
If every prophet had to be under the
authority structure of the organised church (which structure is usually
unbiblical!) he wouldn't last long in the church to whom God uses him to
correct! Which is why, when prophets arise in churches, they get thrown
out pretty quick, and when they try to deliver their message they are
told where to jump!
You said to Isaya that you believed the
Church to be a spiritual organism, not a physical organisation. Here,
you are saying the opposite – that the Church is an organisation. If so,
which human organisation is the true Church? I suppose it must be
United, eh? What a joke! One pipsqueak little offshoot of the arrogant,
exclusivist, cultic WCG, without testimony of miraculous power, without
the living and active testimony of Jesus (I don't mean His written
testimony from 2000 years ago), without supernatural spiritual gifts,
without prophets, without apostles, denying the revelatory agencies
Jesus said He was appointing in His Church, and with a small number of
members whose 'evangelism' generally amounts to nothing more than
meeting for regular 'worship', which is itself dry and devoid of the
Spirit, where the appointed pastor has never met Jesus because he was
appointed by other men who never knew Him either.... and so the sorry
saga continues.... "denying the power of God, from such...." (2 Tim 3:5)
Your spiritual appreciation of what the
Church is and how the Church operates as a spiritual organism is grossly
lacking, evidenced by what you have written to me. [This is expounded in
our book God’s Church – Whose Authority?]
<< That said, I don't dispute the fact
that God can certainly do whatever He likes. One thing is certain: "by
their fruits you shall know them." So I view you like Gamaliel viewed
the nascent church: if it be of men it will fail; if it be of God it
will succeed and that will become clear. >>
But you don't want it to become clear to
you, just like Gamaliel didn't. Did he join the ranks of the early
Church? No. Did he have his eyes opened to God's truth at that time? No.
He was just playing political games to retain his seat of power.
Do you mean to imply that Gamaliel – who
was being non-partisan and non-committal here – was adopting the right
approach!!? He was expediting a clever political manoeuvre to avoid the
wrath of those people who believed the apostles, and the wrath of God
(if the apostles were of God), and the wrath of his religious party (if
he were to approve of them).
Gamaliel didn't join the Church, nor did
he properly stand up in defense of the apostles. He had them flogged
(Acts 5:40). And you are adopting the same wishy-washy, "I-don’t-know"
approach – which is useless for a man who claims to champion the truth.
Ignoring truth is not being zealous for
God. It's doing the devil's work in complacency and compromise. The
Bereans seem to have had no pride to swallow. It's a pity you still do.
<< I hope this answers all your questions
and makes my position clear. >>
Yes, your position is quite clear. It's
one of unbelief over the more important matters on God's agenda for the
Church at this time. You just don't want to move ahead. You would rather
stay put with the Laodiceans and Sardisians. Right? Or wrong?
The answer at the moment is "Right". But
I would prefer to be proven wrong. And to add one further piece of
revelation from God to expose your humbug, God gave my wife a dream a
few nights ago that a man tried to break in through our window. He
didn't use the front door (He didn't come via Jesus). He tried to come
in as a thief would (John 10:10). He didn't succeed. His face was
affable when he arrived, but when his way was barred, he turned hostile.
This is this a true prophetic dream, and
it could concern you. However, my desire is to find unity between us.
But that can only come about if you are willing to put all your
prejudices behind you, humble yourself to be willing to learn from us by
studying the publications we have written for the Church on various
subjects where it needs to change, and then to do just that – change.
I wish you well. Sincerely,
Malcolm B Heap
5. The Prophet’s Correction is Rejected
Joel Meeker finally replied on 6th Feb 2001
in a caustic and sarcastic vein:
Your attitude and language show your
"fruit" as far as I'm concerned. There is no doubt in my mind that much
of what you are bearing is not of God. But of course I'm only a lowly
field minister, not a "prophet" like you. Rather than judging others and
name calling, I suggest you step back and take a more realistic look at
yourself. Based on your approach, I've neither the time nor the desire
to continue this exchange.
A Prophet Seeks Reform & Restoration
So, that is where Joel Meeker left off. He
didn’t want to be corrected, to be shown that his theology and Christian
practice have need of revision and repair. He would rather try and shift the
blame by pointing the finger at me. (Those who do that should remember that
more fingers point back at themselves!)
God ‘sends’ prophets to sound an alarm, to
call for repentance and reform. If the body of Christ listens, believes
their message and repents, they can enjoy restoration and revival. However,
if the prophet’s message is rejected, punishment follows.
This episode of correspondence was all set up
by God to expose the mindset of CoG ministers. Joel Meeker is not alone in
his complacency. It is rife throughout the ministry of the Churches of God.
Laodicea says “I don’t need to learn from anyone else. I have all I need. I
don’t want any more. Thank you very much! Please go away.”
They shut the door on Jesus and do not allow
Him to correct and guide . It’s no wonder that Churches of God languish in a
sea of mediocrity, sectarianism and confusion. They need not – if only they
would humble themselves and change!